I wish I had time to try it more, but I'm keeping busy with other projects. I've tried AutoCAD electrical a little bit, and it seems like a decent product also.
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What I have more problem understanding is people insisting on using a screwdriver to drive a nail I've used AutoCAD for many years to do my electrical CAD, and I've also used other software packages, such as Xelec, Promis-e and of course EPlan (both EPlan 21 and EPlan P8), and I never want to go back to using AutoCAD for that purpose. On the other hand, documentation is not a small part of the design process, and when you have an integrated tool that allows you to cut down on time and errors, well, why not use it ? I can understand people resisting change. You are right that CAD is only a small part of the design process, and that's precisely where specialized tools come in handy. All you have to do is map the fields once, and there you go. Well, in case you didn't know, EPlan is quite happy using such a 3rd party database. Second, you say you find it hard to maintain the part database, but then you mention the purchasing database.
Not to mention what happens when the guy who wrote them goes to work somewhere else. Be honest, and add up the cost of all those in-house tools. Everyone knows that those tools are costly to develop and maintain. You mention a host of in-house tools that you (or someone else) developped to get things done right, ie the way EPlan (or other similar software) does it. Doing cad is only relatively small fraction of the time spent of project (just like programming). on small projects (25 pages or less) 1h/page seam to work just fine, less time per page on larger ones thanks to copy and paste and few little things we use. it's tedious to do by hand but who likes that? we have created small utility that reads project data from our purchasing database and generates BOM pages in AutoCAD files which is a snap.
one can dramatically cut this time down using basic copy and paste, small tools like DDNUMB, blocks with references or embeded variables etc. This is long obsolete and I hope nobody is doing it one line at a time. Things that seamed slow in AutoCAD are numbering of wire lables etc. In fact when I was first introduced to ePlan, it only had products from handfull of European companies (I hope this has changed). Unfortunately this doesn't apply to everyone (us for example) where most projects are 60-100 pages and hardware is diffrent making constant upgrades of the parts library very time consuming. on a large scale project automatic referencing wins hands down, just like using same hardware over and over. integrated project is nice thing to have, specially when large. I find AutoCAD faster as well - at least right now, for me, for project size we usualy do and for variety of hardware we encounter on a day to day basis. I hope you will eventually take the time to give the software a real test drive. If you went to this training without any previous EPlan exposure, then of course you will feel lost and overwhelmed.
This has nothing to do with basic EPlan training.
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My understanding is that GM only offered those trainings to experienced EPlan users cause they wanted to train people on how to use the GM setup. Then you mention taking some form of training with GM. After all, how much time did you spend customizing AutoCAD to the point where you have it today ? Same goes for any other software. As with any software of this magnitude, there is of course a learning curve and a commissioning phase that requires time and commitment. You know the feeling if you've ever had to deal with fair sized projects. Then what about updates to usual reports such as BOM ? Customer calls and says he wants to switch PLC supplier. Just try renumbering the pages and then make sure all the xrefs are good. If that's your case, then by all mean EPlan is not for you. How can you possibly think that you can be any faster with a software where EVERYTHING has to be done manually, as opposed to a software that automates a lot of menial tasks ? As a concrete example, how much time do you spend on a project just updating component cross-references (such as coil/contact xref) ? And I'm not talking 2 pages projects. When I see comments like yours, I can't help but getting goosebumps. In those years I've used the software, trained people to use it and developped custom solutions with the API. Hi ElecPneuGuy, Not wishing to start a flame war, but I've been using EPlan for the past 6 years.
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